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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 4, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

“Say what you like about my bloody murderous government,' I says, 'but don't insult me poor bleedin' country” - Edward Abbey


Yup, I am still damn proud to be an American.

Go find yourself a community...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-geWu-E9ys

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 4, 2010 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I'm not much given to generalisations but on the whole I think I'm just as proud to be British, and very glad to have made your acquaintance, Namor. I think we have a very robust community right here - pretty tolerant and open-minded, but not so open that we'll let the wind whistle through...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 4, 2010 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

I don't know why , but I have always had an affinity for Judaism and Jewish people in general . Maybe a little growing up near NYC , maybe some of my grandmother's friends , maybe my love of history , esp. my pursuit of reading or interviewing ' primary ' sources . I've spoken w/ many survivors , soldiers , civilians and children ( they get their own category ) of WW2 . One theme over and over that I have heard is
a) how lucky we are
b) how we do not appreciate freedom , and
c) how during the war , if an army was approaching it meant cataclysm , unless it was the Allies . That meant freedom , and not being tortured , burnt , fucked , bled , starved or worked to death . Think about that .

America is a wonderful promise , carried out by quite imperfect human beings . It always will be . Now to make the circle back to the beginning . Unless drawn to the land of Palestine , most Jewish refugees from WW2 settled here in America . Why , I would always ask ( and still so , but mostly only the ' children ' remain , as eyewitness becomes secondary source ). " America is good country " , I have heard over and over , then a combo , sometimes at length , of a mixture of a , and b . The Jewish folks have been kickin' it for over 5K years on this planet , in a neighborhood where the very dirt is the ground remains of empires . For that people to feel that this country is shelter from the storm , is ..wow .... I don't have the correct words .
When I get angry at the govt. , or feel that the center can no longer hold - the extremes rant from sheet music that only they or their small circle can read , I youtube a Citizenship Ceremony . It is a simple , but wonderful ceremony . Why do so many people come ? They come because they want to be Americans .

res ipsa loquitur


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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 4, 2010 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey rob -

The feeling is mutual....

The Abbey quote wasn't a perfect fit but close enough.

I for the life of me can't figure out why some in this happy, dysfunctional collection of misfits we call the Grateful Dead forum community feel the need to isolate themselves.

Enjoy your 4th and celebrate the day those damned colonists cut the apron strings and left home.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 5, 2010 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Hey Mando--just chiming in to say "hello" as we haven't crossed paths with my reduction in posting of late, but this little thread, and those replies above to the doom and gloom component, remind me of just how much a number of us here share, and how even "newbies" can join in and relatively quickly establish themselves...

But most of all, your Abbey quote caught my attn, as he is one of my fav personalities of all time...love the movie of his first book (Brave Cowboy = Lonely are the Brave movie), and his ecological rants and raves, esp anti-grazing here in the SW. Loved seeing him speak, and hard to believe it's over 20 yrs now since he passed...and I think you got it right, as this is the one I've read:

"...Say what you like about my bloody murderous government,' I says, 'but don't insult me poor bleedin' country..."